An Interview With That Mexican OT, the Lonestar Luchador

Eric Diep speaks to the Texan rapper about linking up with Paul Wall & Maxo Kream, being obsessed with wrestling since he was a kid, seeing 50 Cent perform and more.
By    August 28, 2023

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In the world of pro wrestling, you have gimmicks and alter-egos. If the rap game is the squared circle, Bay City rapper That Mexican OT (Outta Texas) introducing the Lonestar Luchador as his latest persona has made him a babyface whose likeability is infectious. While hip-hop has used alter-egos to workshop other characters like Nicki Minaj’s Roman Zolanski or MF DOOM’s Viktor Vaughn, That Mexican OT is revealing to fans that the Lonestar Luchador is not actually a rapper. “He’s definitely a warrior. He’s somebody that helps you get through something,” he tells me.

Fans were introduced to the Lonestar Luchador in an album teaser on July 19, joining the lineage of luchadors like Rey Mysterio and Psicosis who have been immortalized in Mexican wrestling. That Mexican OT transforms himself by donning a blue cape with sparkling letters and wearing a mask made from the Texas flag. When he flashes a smile, his platinum grill shines.

The Lonestar Luchador’s origin story is kept a mystery throughout That Mexican OT’s latest album of the same name, released on July 27. The wrestling concept comes into play through skits led by rapper and comedian Ralph Barbosa Jr. They parody an announcer’s table—That Mexican OT introduces himself as “OT Super Mex,” Barbosa is calling himself “Ralph à la Pimp Hand”—and they proceed to call a tag team match that gets more absurd as they mention their storyline: the obscene wrestler names, their moves, and a surprise interference by Los Federales.

Since 2020, That Mexican OT has been bubbling in the Texas underground as just “OT,” releasing songs like “La Muerte,” which represented his Spanish heritage. “OT” is short for “OTV” (On the Verge), explaining on No Jumper he came up with his new name and catchphrase “Ayo, is that That Mexican OT?” because he was being silly and high as f*ck on “Plan C” and it just stuck. He continued to devour beats with a chip on his shoulder heard on “Texas Meskin” and Peso Peso’s “Hardest Ese Ever.” Early comparisons to DaBaby and Kevin Gates landed because of OT’s weathered rasp and quick delivery. But it’s the way he rolls his tongue and chews up language, differentiating himself to the point that it’s become a delight to hear what words he’s OT-ified when he flows.

The Bay City All-Star comes from a hometown that’s over an hour away from Houston, so it’s inevitable that his sound draws from the foundational base of chopped and screwed, trap, and melodic rap that has seeped into other cities, fusing it with the state’s other natural connection with country. His breakout single, “Johnny Dang,” an homage to slab culture and H-Town slowing it down, features DRODi and Paul Wall. It’s easily the best song out of Texas with a mouthful of bars from all involved. He went viral on TikTok for his From the Block performance of “Johnny Dang,” performing the anthem live at a ranch while holding a chicken. The views went so well that they ran it back for “Cowboy Killer” and shot another video live from the same ranch, but this time he’s singing in a country twang about being an outlaw from Dirty Bay. He is 100 percent Tejano, showing off how his people get down in South Texas.

On this day in August, That Mexican OT is calling in from New York and in-between meetings. Not only is he easygoing and polite, but he answers anything you throw at him. He apologizes when people interrupt our conversation, and again later when his team downstairs asks him what he wants to eat from Subway. “I get the chicken bacon ranch and the Italian herbs and cheese bread. Extra crispy,” he says.

Our conversation veers from getting a grill from Johnny Dang and coming up with the Lonestar Luchador character to getting into Big L and 50 Cent. He apparently saw his favorite rapper perform on the Final Lap tour in Brooklyn, so he gave a quick review about that too. This is the Cowboy in New York, cooling out and having fun.

​​(This interview has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.)

You’ve been going viral for this From the Block performance on a ranch where you’re holding a chicken while rapping the lyrics to “Johnny Dang.” Who came up with the idea?

That Mexican OT: Shit, this was everyday living. I just picked that motherf*cker up and there it was. That’s our chicken, it was just everyday living. It was no idea or nothing crazy.

Was that your first time on the ranch?

That Mexican OT: Man, hell naw. Since I was a puppy child, I’ve been doing that shit. My whole dad’s side of the family is all cowboys.

“Johnny Dang” features Paul Wall and DRODi. How did you get Paul Wall on the track?

That Mexican OT: My boy BDon. BDon was the one who made the connection. He’s a very known producer from Texas. He’s a pioneer of the Texas sound today. Not only that he’s great at making beats, he FaceTime Paul Wall off the rip and it was nothing but love. It was nothing for him to make that call.

Did you and Paul Wall make that song in the studio?

That Mexican OT: I had that song for like two years with a video already. I never dropped a snippet; I never did anything with it. Eventually like I said, I started getting better. DRODi started punching in with people in the city. I met BDon and then BDon just made the connection because it made sense.

I noticed you got a grill from Johnny Dang. It is a sign of success when you get one of those. Do you think you’ve made it as a rapper?

That Mexican OT: Hell naw, I still got so far to go. But you gotta understand, I got a grill before Johnny Dang. I got my grill when I was a nobody. I got my grill because we were in the pandemic and motherf*ckers was bitching about not having any money. So I collected some money during the pandemic and bought a grill just to show them, ‘Hey, you can still get money baby.’

Lonestar Luchador is the album you just released at the end of July. Who is Lonestar Luchador, the character you created?

That Mexican OT: He’s a Texas Mexican. I feel like he’s the perfect representation of both worlds.

You have this huge chest tattoo of him.

That Mexican OT: I had it before the project too, but it was based on it.

When did you first get into wrestling?

That Mexican OT: Since a kid, I was always surrounded by it. I first got into WWE and from there I was in a loophole. I remember as a kid having Tupperware of wrestlers: eight different Rey Mysterios, and five different John Cenas. I had the ring to have them walk out to it. I had microphones. D-Generation X. I used to get ones that come in double packs with sledgehammers and shit like that, you know?

Why is John Cena your favorite wrestler?

That Mexican OT: Man, he was just an animal. His character, who he was. He used to rap coming down, singing his own shit. John Cena was just the shit.

What about your favorite luchadores?

That Mexican OT: I would probably say Ignácio. I like Ignácio [from Nacho Libre].

How would you describe the differences between That Mexican OT and the Lonestar Luchador?

That Mexican OT: The Lonestar Luchador is classier. That Mexican OT is very loud and vulgar. The Lonestar Luchador is very calm, just strictly about business and it just stands on respect.

One of my favorite parts about the album is the commentary with you and Ralph Barbosa Jr. Was it meant to be comical?

That Mexican OT: Hell yeah. I’m all about shit and giggles. Ralph definitely doing his thing with the whole comedy side. And I believe in him, you know what I’m saying? I just like how his ego is and everything about him. He got the full package to sell.

Were all those wrestler names like The Invisible Masturbator freestyled or prewritten? Because they were funny.

That Mexican OT: Hell nah, he just came in with a note and a pad looking like 8 Mile. He just got it down.

The album features some big Texas names like Maxo Kream. How did you link up with him on “Opp or 2?”

That Mexican OT: It’s crazy. I met Maxo through my cameraman, DGreenFilmz. So me and DRODi just got done shooting a video. I think it was for “Pimpin Platinum.” DGreen was like, ‘Well, I’m finna go shoot for Maxo. We are having a good time and I don’t want to separate yet.’ And we are all f*cked up. ‘F*ck it!’ You know what I’m saying? We ended up going with him. I’m wearing some slides, some baggy ass sweatpants, and a baggy ass jacket just looking like a nobody. I was a nobody. I walk up to Maxo and I was quick about it. I just said ‘Hey bro, my name is That Mexican OT. You don’t even have to remember my face, just remember my name.’ And I dapped him up and I walked away.

He hits me up and was like, ‘Man, your fat ass wasn’t lying! You said I’ma see you everywhere and I see you everywhere now!’ You know what I’m saying? Then we just got punched in from there. I come correct as f*ck every time. I’m not a dickhead. I’m well-mannered. I’m a likeable person. And not only am I a likeable person, my rap game is f*cking phenomenal. So he had no choice but to respect it. If you don’t, you just look like a dry ass hater.

Did you give him “Opp or 2” to hop on?

That Mexican OT: Yeah, and you know he was supposed to be on “Skelz.” He was supposed to hop on the second verse for “Skelz” but he was trying to charge me 10 bands for a feature. And I was like f*ck that bro. F*ck no. I’ll be alright. I ended up getting that second half of the “James Gucci Bond” and I put it all as one for “Skelz.” “James Gucci Bond” is the second half to “Skelz” or what would have been the second half of “Skelz.” He ended up circling back, ‘Aw, I f*ck with you. I wanna work with you.’ This and that. And he ended up jumping on “Opp or 2.”

You also worked with BigXThaPlug on “Hit List.” He’s from Dallas. Can you tell me about meeting BigX and doing that song?

That Mexican OT: So I had like 3,000 followers on Instagram and BigX had 2,000 followers on Instagram. And we had just met each other so we knew each other before both of us even blew up. And we made that song before both of us blew up.

Can you explain why are you putting on for “Texas Mexicans?” You even spell it differently too – “Texas Meskins.”

That Mexican OT: It’s what I stand on. It’s what I am. I hold a lot of pride into it. I feel like it deserves all the credit it can get.

What is nonsense and Mexican shit?

That Mexican OT: You know, shit, just f*cking some Mexicans on the corner, sipping drink, smoking weed, talking shit to each other. F*cking Grandma inside whipping tortas and lonches and a bunch of other shit like that. Just everyday livin’. Go outside and f*cking smoke a joint of reggie with Grandpa.

You have this ability to write lyrical songs like “Mama’s Song” or “Breannan.” What’s your songwriting process like? How do you go from songs like “Johnny Dang” to these personal, super lyrical songs?

That Mexican OT: I feel like it’s pretty easy for me to switch characters like that just because I grew up glorifying everything about the East Coast, you know what I’m saying? I was already on that lyrical shit. That’s all I wanted to do was that lyrical stuff. Big L is who I wanted to sound like. And I’m from the South, so I’ma forever have that groove and that swagger and that singing shit. I grew up jamming a lot to country. A lot of old school rock. Definitely blues. I was jamming blues like a motherf*cker. So I think with my mind being open to all music and just listen to it, it’s been easy to adjust to that.

Who put you on to Big L?

That Mexican OT: So I had a homeboy named Fermin and this motherf*cker didn’t have papers. His family didn’t have papers. They were straight from Mexico. And I was in the 7th grade and he was like, ‘Yo vato, you know someone named Big L? You jam him?’ And I was like, ‘Nah, I wish!’ He just put the headphones in and I just went into a f*cking loophole from there. It was over from there.

You’ve talked in interviews about wanting to be like Slim Shady and that specific era of Eminem.

That Mexican OT: He was on some throwed off shit. Not only that, I’ve done a lot of drugs that he’s done. We’ve been in a lot of similar situations. I just related to it and I looked up to it a lot. I thought it was cool, I thought it was funny. Very animated. And it sells. I thought Eminem was one of a kind for sure.

And 50 Cent is also one of your inspirations.

That Mexican OT: I was just at one of his shows last night. Me and Bobby Shmurda. We were there just chilling. You gotta understand Get Rich or Die Tryin’ was my shit, by far. I had all the G-Unit clothes, I had G-Unit outfits, all that shit.

Give me the concert review of the Final Lap Tour by That Mexican OT.

That Mexican OT: Bro, he was changing outfits every other song. He had the ladies out there, dancing. He brought out DaBaby, J. Cole. He brought out Moneybagg Yo. It’s 50. Not only is he the vibe, but he’s going to bring the vibes too. 50 overall was just a great MC. His delivery was always executed good so I f*cked with it.

Did that inspire you to see him perform in any way?

That Mexican OT: Oh, yeah. I remember when he walked on stage with the bulletproof vest and took that hoe off. He was just so gangster, but there was swagger to it. There was steelo, there was melody to it. It was cool. He was gangster about it, just the way he did it.

I want to step back a little bit and get into how you got into rap. It started after you watched your uncle and older cousins do it.

That Mexican OT: My uncle Esko and my cousin Homer [Pimpson]. My cousin Homer was rapping out of Bay City. Mone and Esko, they were from Big Spring, Texas, West Texas, but they ended up moving to Brazoria County in West Columbia, [Texas]. My Uncle Mone started talking to my Tía Sam. And my Tía Sam, she had a boyfriend named Raymond. When she was a freshman and I think he was a sophomore and I think they’ve been together since then. And he was rapping. So watching them do it, I wanted to do it. Be cool with them, you know?

How old were you?

That Mexican OT: Shit, I was like four, five, six years old. As soon as I started talking, I started rapping.

Were you rapping songs from 106 & Park as you got older?

That Mexican OT: I was rapping whatever was on the radio. I would freestyle over those [songs]. I would go to the prison and I would go see my dad and we talked through the glass. And I remember I’d be on the phone and be rapping to him, but I’d rap the songs I hear on the radio. He be like, ‘F*ck that, I want to hear what you got to say.’ And then my mom passed away when I was eight, so I had something to talk about. My dad was always telling me that he wanted to hear what I said. As a kid, I guess it’s just how I processed it and took it in. It made me want to write.

I was also always in trouble too, so there was nothing else to do. I was reading, writing, and drawing. Shit, my favorite author that I used to read is from New York. A lot of his books were stories from Harlem, Brooklyn. Things like that. He would go to Rikers Island and talk to the youth and hopefully inspire them. Walter Dean Myers.

What was the song that popped off for you?

That Mexican OT: I feel like a lot of songs had a bunch of push for me. I dropped “La Muerte” that pushed me and then I dropped “Ghetto Gates” that pushed me. I’m dropping songs, of course, in between these right here but the ones that gave me a good ass push every time I dropped were definitely “La Muerte,” “Ghetto Gates.” Then I dropped “La Cobra,” that one went crazy.

“Plan C” was probably one too.

That Mexican OT: Wow! That was in the backyard of my grandma’s house. We were just in the country. I hog hunt on that land right there. That place right there [in the video of] “Plan C,” that’s where I grew up in the country. I was probably 19 in that video.

The Hip-Hop Live Show. Why were they so important to your early career?

That Mexican OT: They were the first to believe in me. My boy Ghetto and Anthony, the two of them right there. Even Anthony’s wife, Cuban Diva, all three of them on the Hip-Hop Live Show. They just believed in me. They saw it before it was there. I’m grateful for them.

When I was reading more about you, there was something that came up that I wanted to see if it were true. You were running from the law and you were soaked in urine and your toes were caked with fresh cow shit. What happened?

That Mexican OT: So I was running and I remember I stayed the night in the woods ‘cause I was scared to go on the street. I was tired as f*ck, high as shit. I’m running in the woods and I’m soaking wet. My clothes are heavy on me. I’m not going to lie, I went through a lot that night.

Yeah, I stepped in cow shit and at first I was like, ‘Aw, f*ck I stepped in f*cking cow shit!’ But I realized the cow shit the only thing keeping my toes warm. So now I’m looking for cow shit to step in! It was right after Christmas so I’m sleeping in like five inches of puddled water. It’s raining. I got pants on with no underwear, no socks, no shoes on, and a jacket with no shirt underneath. It’s a zip-up jacket and I’m now freezing. I remember I laid in the fetal position, I had my hands on my crotch and every time I’d wake up, I piss on myself and just try to be warm.

I mean look where you are now, you’re in New York, with a grill in, smiling.

That Mexican OT: C’mon baby, having fun!

You said you haven’t made it as a rapper yet, but you’ve overcome some real adversity.

That Mexican OT: I’m having a good ride but I ain’t there yet.

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